[Solar-talk] Framework Benchmarks

[Kilbride, James P.]

Btw, Paul, my brain pulled a distraction on me while writing that and I
forgot to finish the full conceptual thought in there. 
 
Basically it is, has anybody started looking at, from an economics
viewpoint, at which point in scaling an application up does hardware
costs/maintenance costs become more expensive than the developer costs?
Is it possible for that to occur? Is it possible that sometimes we gain
productivity on the front end and pay for it on the back end? 
 
Does anybody actually look at that kind of information(this application
cost us $100,000 to write but we've spent 2 million on server costs over
the last 3 years.. etc..)
 
I wonder if there is even any concern that could be a problem? Could we
quantify the 'cost per request' in some way? given a specific page load
or such? "It costs us .0005 cents to show the customer the product"
 
I liked your supply demand curves btw in the atlanta talk. And I've
started bouncing back through some of the rest of the topics/posts. Very
good work on that and it's amazing to me how easily people ignore the
underlying 'truth' of the statements and ignore that you start with a
simple case before arguing a complex case. And yet all of them want to
somehow jump straight into the complex case right away.. It makes no
sense to me. 
 
Of course, listening to people rant and rave over the last decade about
Intel/AMD, NVidia/Whoever the ohter one is.. and so one with benchmark
after benchmark and how this benchmark shows the clear winner.. 
 
sigh, maybe it comes of having taught college courses in computer
architectures and showing how you can specialize things and how
benchmarks only tell a small part of the story(important but must be
taken in context) that it drives me nuts when people do nothing but
ignore the forest for the tree that is falling on top of them while they
argue about whether it's falling or simply swaying in the wind.
 
Now, off to test, 'ease of use' and 'responsiveness' of solar by trying
to get it up and running with zend core.
 
James Kilbride

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Am I reading the benchmarks correctly Paul on your atlanta talk. At
best(solar) a framework comes out to only be about 12% as efficient as
writing the PHP code myself and doing some simplistic seperation of
business logic and layout?

Ouch.. And some of those are on the 6% order. That's some serious
degredation of performance. Not saying I won't use them, since you get
some good productivity gains but numbers like that do hurt the cause a
bit. If I've got to spend 8-20 times as much on hardware to have the
same performance programmer productivity may become cheaper than
hardware.

James Kilbride 

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